1907-15

sinon des idées sur l'origine du fusil??

ghigu2a a écrit:sinon des idées sur l'origine du fusil??

   
Sur "les origines du Monde" aussi j'ai des idées.....  
  

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ghigu2a a écrit:sinon des idées sur l'origine du fusil??

   
Sur "les origines du Monde" aussi j'ai des idées.....  
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C'est parce que la terre est basse que tu dois rester Courbet...  

lionrobe a écrit:

CLOSDELIF a écrit:

ghigu2a a écrit:sinon des idées sur l'origine du fusil??

   
Sur "les origines du Monde" aussi j'ai des idées.....  
  parce que la terre est basse que tu dois rester [color=#ff3333]Courbet...  

C'est quand même beau (et excitant) la culture......  

On a plein d'idées, des origines à nos jours!

ghigu2a a écrit:sinon des idées sur l'origine du fusil??

simple concours de circonstance   

La fabrication du lebel a été définitivement stoppé en 1904 , le fusil 1907 était l'unique fusil en cour de fabrication   

après modification en 1915 , il devient le fusil 07-15   

Veuillez pardonner la langue anglaise mais cela peut vous aider ...

In 1908 with the successful adoption of the Fusil de Tirailleur Indochinois Modèle 1902 for its troops in Indochina, the French military decided to replace the Fusil d'Infanterie Modèle 1886 Modifié 1893 "Lebel" that were in service with the French West, Central and East African colonies, particularly Senegal, all of whom were tall in stature, with a full-scale rifle. In 1904 l’Inspection Permanente des Fabrications d’Artillerie along with Manufacture Nationale d'Armes de Châtellerault got together with the S.T.A to develop this new rifle.
What they came up with was the Fusil de Tirailleur Sénégalais Modèle 1907 as it was named in Décret Ministerial 34117/2/3 dated August 9, 1907 but in 1908 it was then decided to widen the issuance of the weapon to other colonial troops, except those in Indochina, and Décret Ministerial 22859/2/3 of June 6, 1908 re-named the rifle to Fusil Colonial Modèle 1907 which was adopted for service on June 19,1908. With the introduction of this rifle the Berthier finally came of age as a full-length infantry rifle. This rifle had an overall length of 1,305m (51 3/16") with a 0,800m (31 1/2") barrel and weighing 3,800kg (8.37 pounds). Again like all previous Berthiers it lacked a top hand guard, used the 3-shot en-bloc packet/charger, had the curved stacking hook on the upper barrel band but one feature that was completely eliminated was the brass-tipped clearing rod. The barrel of this weapon was of the same exact barrel as used on the Fusil d'Infanterie Modèle 1886 Modifié 1893 "Lebel" which featured the same front and rear sights and muzzle diameter. As this weapon did not use the same upper barrel band as found on the Fusil d'Infanterie Modèle 1886 Modifié 1893 "Lebel" but followed the lines of the previous Berthier bayonet attachment, a new bayonet had to be developed to be used for this weapon which was to be called the Epée-Baïonnette Modèle 1907.

1915 - As France had suffered a large amounts of staggering defeats, with massive losses of men and material at the outbreak of the war during the crushing defeat of "Plan 17" and the "Battle of the Frontiers", which brought the Germans within striking distance of Paris, the French victory at the "1st Battle of the Marne", which staved off a potential German victory, nearly brought the country to its knees. French forces were desperately short of weapons to equip the replacements for the tens of thousands of casualties suffered before the end of 1914, one answer, as determined by the Ministre de La Guerre in November of 1914, was to increase production of the Berthier system and tasked Manufacture Nationale d'Armes de Châtellerault (MAC) to find a solution. The easiest solution MAC found was to slightly alter the Fusil de Tirailleur Sénégalais Modèle 1907, as it could be pushed into mass production with an absolute minimal number of changes into a new model full-length rifle (see 1907 above). This new model was to be called the Fusil de Infanterie Modèle 1907-1915, which was adopted for service on February 26,1915. This weapon was almost identical with the following exceptions: The upper barrel band was redesigned with a semi-circular base, with a straight ball-tipped stacking hook so it utilize the regulation Epée-Baïonnette Modèle 1886 Modifié 1915, and the front sight was changed from a blade type to a square block with a small shallow V groove in it to allow for pin-pointing a target, the rear sight was modified to conform to this new pattern front sight. The very first production, 80,000, did have a bent bolt handle but in November it was determined that this should be changed to a beefed-up straight type bolt handle with a rounded bolt-knob for easier opening of the bolt in combat and all production after the 15th of December followed this recommendation. The production number for these rifles that are known are as follows: March: 200, May: 1,470, August: 46,000, October: 51,000, December: 54,000, the maximum number was obtained in July of 1916 with 101,511 and the final production numbers reached by the end of the war was a staggering 2,387,541. As the two National Armories producing Berthiers, Manufacture Nationale d'Armes de Châtellerault et Saint Étienne, could not keep pace with production demands set by the Ministre de La Guerre therefore it became necessary to contract with the various private manufacturing firms in France and elsewhere to help produce parts or whole complete weapons such as Établissement Delaunay-Belleville (complete rifles) and Établissement Continsouza which only manufactured receivers.

ghigu2a a écrit:sinon des idées sur l'origine du fusil??

d'apres l'etat actuel de mes recherches, je situe la naissance de ce modele au environs de 1907,et il semblerai que des modifications mineurs soit intervenues au environs de 1915,mais ce ne sont la que des hypothèses.

il y a sinon sur ce lien d'autres explications   

http://armesfrancaises.free.fr/FR%20Mle%2007-15.html

bonne lecture   

Nan, un petit peu plus vieux 1902. Puisqu'on est parti du fusil de tirailleur indochinois 1902 rallongé en 1907 en tirailleur sénégalais puis modifié en 1915 en 07-15 et en 1916 modèle 16. On aura aussi la dernière modif en 1934le M34.
Si d'ailleurs on remonte un peu plus loin le modèle de base serait la carabine de cuirassier, premier Berthier de la lignée.

purée ....  

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